ALL SENIOR CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE LIFE ALERT ([info]stephzilla) wrote,
@ 2008-06-24 15:46:00
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Current mood: cold

You know what move I fucking hate? "The Dreamers."
This weekend my room mate got two movies in the mail, La Chinoise and The Dreamers. Let's start off by saying that the whole concept of The Dreamers is inspired by La Chinoise. The latter was directed by Jean-Luc Godard and is said to have inspired the student protests in France in 1968, as well as those at Columbia University against the Vietnam War. The film is about five teenagers, college students, living in some chick's parent's flat over the summer and studying Mao.

Now, this is the premise of The Dreamers, for those of you unaware: three teenage "revolutionaries," a French brother and sister and an American, live in their parents' flat over the summer and fuck each other silly while the revolution goes on literally outside their windows. Instead of studying Maoism/Communism/Marxism/etc, they stroke each others' film-knowledge egos and bathe together and masturbate in front of each other and eat bananas out of the trash even though they're spoiled rich brats.

There is an over-the-top suggestion that the female protagonist of the film has sexual relationships with both her father and brother to the point of the American protagonist finding brother and sister naked in bed together. But they are never shown actually getting busy and it turns out that -- SURPRISE! -- she's a virgin all along. Even though she loses her virginity in front of her fucking brother while he makes eggs.

What really bothers me about this is that there is a suggestion of this incest being "cultural." The film is, ultimately, an exploration of sexual relationships (with a shallow political affiliation tacked on -- fuck you). However, it also is an exploration of cultural differences between the French and the Americans. I feel there is a suggestion that this overt intimacy between family members is supposed to be chalked up to French intimacy ("supposedly they touch hundreds of times during conversation"), which is why the American protagonist is constantly put into situations of intimacy while his French friends don't bat an eyelash (ex: French brother washes his crotch while American protagonist is in the bathroom -- he shades his eyes from this). Further, since the French sister turns out to be a virgin, it is suggested that what the American protagonist sees is all that's going on -- just really fucking creepy intimate touching.

I find this to be a bit xenophobic. Yeah, the French have more intimate terms of body language -- most cultures that aren't North American do -- but that doesn't mean that their morals also completely transcend that of the rest of the Western world, that incest is expected or okay enough to make a display of in front of a house guest.

Further, WOW FUCK YOU, LET'S SET A FILM DURING THE STUDENT PROTESTS IN FRANCE AND PLAY IT OFF LIKE IT ACTUALLY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING IN ORDER TO ADD A TOUCH OF "EDGE." LET'S PREMISE THIS WHOLE FILM WITH GODARD'S POLITICAL MASTERPIECE AND THEN MAKE A FUCKING MOCKERY OF IT BY PUTTING THREE OVER-SEXED TEENAGERS IN A FLAT TOGETHER WHILE THEY PISS THEIR LIVES AWAY WITH PRETENTIOUSNESS AND A COMPLETE DISREGARD FOR RESPONSIBILITY.

LIKE COME ON. YOU HAD SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY FOR A THICKER PLOT LINE. YOU FUCKING SET IT DURING THE PROTESTS THAT LED TO THE OVER THROWING OF AN ENTIRE FUCKING GOVERNMENT AND THIS IS THE MOVIE YOU MAKE??? A FUCKING CIRCLE-JERK OF FILM KNOWLEDGE AND A PERVERSION THAT IS SUGGESTIVE OF RACIST?

WHAT

THE

FUCK.




The end! :D




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ridiculously long comment
[info]scatteredwaters
2008-06-24 11:07 pm UTC (link)
they regularly show "the dreamers" on ifc/sundance so i have probably seen this film 4 or 5 times, though i could only get through it once in totality. after numerous viewings i can confidently back up your opinions on the sham backdrop of the paris riots and the laaaame/pretentious/ridiculous subplot of bored rich kids whose incestuous behavior is somehow acceptable because they're french. the fact is that the guy who directed "the dreamers," bernardo bertolucci (who is, obvs from the name, from italy and not france), also directed "last tango in paris" and therefore was trying to reclaim or somehow live up to his street cred as a controversial director. the results are, of course, laughable.

irnoically, louis garrel, the (super attractive) actor who plays the brother in "the dreamers," has actually been in a really good film about the paris student riots which doesn't suck called "les amants réguliers" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443844/), which was actually directed by his dad; one of the more famous modern french art house filmmakers. accordingly, the film is super french art house, but if you have an open mind and a taste for the mildly pretentious it's a really great tribute to art and politics in that time.

anyway, what i really wanted to point out was another film which totally fits into your rant: "ma mere." it also stars louis garrel and it's about an incestuous relationship between a son and mother (on going theme in his career, i guess). there is some legitimacy to the flick because a) it's actually in french and b) the director/write is french, but it is honestly one of the more ridiculous movies you will ever see. "the dreamers" is annoying because it tries to tack some political message or something onto a pretty shitty movie, but "ma mere" is worse because i'm pretty sure it has no message at all except to show a lot of "shocking" sex scenes and get people talking. anyway, that one is also regularly on the ifc/sundance circuit late at night, and it's a good watch if you're super drunk or stoned but otherwise horrible.

as a final note, if you actually want to see a good french film, albeit it's not at all political, watch "les chansons d'amour." it's a musical set in paris about, essentially, modern relationships and the soundtrack is amazing. keep in mind i HATE musicals with a passion so it's pretty relevant that i like this film, though admittedly it's not your typical song-and-dance schtick. i've been listening to it nonstop for a week now.

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Re: ridiculously long comment
[info]scatteredwaters
2008-06-24 11:09 pm UTC (link)
p.s. how bad was michael pitt in that movie??? oh my god he made me want to dieeeeeeee

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Re: ridiculously long comment
[info]stephzilla
2008-06-24 11:35 pm UTC (link)
He was beautiful. But that's pretty much his acting career at this point, to look beautiful and have sex on screen.

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[info]hey_its_cooper
2008-06-24 11:54 pm UTC (link)
The last scene in Ma Mere was hilarious. What an awful movie.

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[info]hey_its_cooper
2008-06-24 11:11 pm UTC (link)
I couldn't stand The Dreamers either. The actors were beautiful but the sex was creepy and irrelevent to the real revolution going on outside.

But I wouldn't give up on Bertolucci altogether. I'd especially recommend The Conformist, which explores the connection between fascist politics and repressed sexuality. It's just a really good film. And Last Tango in Paris (starring Marlon Brando) is supposedly the best expression of human sexuality ever made in film or something like that. But I've only seen a third of it so I can't really judge.

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[info]stephzilla
2008-06-24 11:33 pm UTC (link)
I don't know shit about the director. All I know is that it's a horrible awful film that I wish would die.

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[info]morocconanker
2008-06-25 01:46 pm UTC (link)
I just remember the one scene in Last Tang In Paris where Brando mumbles to some girl "Stick your fingers in my ASSH!"

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[info]morocconanker
2008-06-25 01:43 pm UTC (link)
I completely agree and I hate everyone that likes this movie.

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[info]distorria
2008-06-25 06:15 pm UTC (link)
I think the point of the film was that people piss away their lives while important things are happening all around them. Because of that, I think the film was highly effective.

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[info]stephzilla
2008-06-25 07:07 pm UTC (link)
I know that's what the film is about. But it has too many pretentious and, as I said, xenophobic overtones.

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4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days
[info]lyprulz
2008-06-25 08:07 pm UTC (link)
Seriously, watch it already!

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